This is an email I’m sending to colleges in the United States asking for guidance about a situation I’m having at Baruch College in Manhattan.
Greetings,
I’m a student at Baruch College CUNY in New York City.
I’m requesting guidance from you regarding a situation I’m having at Baruch College CUNY in Manhattan.
I have gone through the proper channels at Baruch College CUNY and asked to be excused from interacting with students in my classes. For example, there are times when professors will ask the class to get into small groups and pairs with each other.
I always treat everyone at Baruch College with the utmost respect at all times. That is more important than anything.
I have politely asked the staff at Baruch College if I could be my own group in classes. I don’t feel comfortable getting into groups with students and interacting with them.
I have had several students try and pick fights with me since I started at Baruch College CUNY. I have no idea who any of them are. I ignored the students and reported it. At this point, I don’t even report when I’m harassed at school anymore. I ignore students when they tease me for no reason, which is often.
I have been living in the street homeless for five years. All I have right now is Baruch College CUNY. I don’t want to jeopardize my standing at Baruch College CUNY due to unwarranted and unsubstantiated student complaints.
I read that the amount of student complaints from students against students is out of control in New York. It doesn’t surprise me after experiencing the amount of abuse I have to endure at college.
I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t party. I don’t date. I don’t do anything illegal. I don’t have a criminal record.
I’m only using my personal email to request feedback from the staff at various colleges regarding this situation. If you don’t want to respond, I understand. If you have any information that you or anyone at the school can share, it’s appreciated.
I have already gone through all the proper channels at Baruch College CUNY, and the answer is I have to interact with students. If a student makes an unsubstantiated claim against me, it’s going to be a major distraction.
I have been informed that student interaction is necessary to create a well rounded student.
My response to that is I’m 45 years old. I’ve performed web marketing services for dozens of companies. I have experience interacting with hundreds of individuals throughout the years.
Even though I’m homeless, I’m still trying to launch my own companies. In my spare time, I’m networking.
Outside of school, I don’t have to worry about people complaining about me and trying to get me kicked out of college. I treat everyone respectfully. I don’t do anything illegal.
I’m optimistic that one day I’ll have a roof back over my head. In the meantime, I’m street homeless in New York City.
I prefer to be street homeless than living in a homeless shelter. I have a place to shower and keep clean clothes. I look presentable.
I’ve been a student at CUNY for two years. After I graduate from Baruch College CUNY, my plan is to attend a CUNY graduate school.
The CUNY staff and professors at CUNY are very helpful. This is the only issue I’ve ever had at college.
From your experience in the education field, is there anything I can do so that I can be excused from having to interact with students in my classes?
Thank you for the information. As per our discussion, I’m not going to submit any more student grievances under any circumstances.
I’m not contacting public safety under any circumstances. The only time I will interact with public safety is to say hi or thank you as I’m walking on and off-campus. I am always very polite to the public safety officers. They are very nice.
There is nothing that can happen at Baruch College that would ever make me submit another student grievance or contact public safety again after receiving a probation letter.
I’m going to continue to keep to myself in regards to students. I will continue to treat all staff, professors, students, etc. with the utmost respect at all times anytime I interact with anyone.
If someone pours a can of paint over my head, I will say thank you and then go wash it off. I’m not kidding. I love Baruch College, I want to stay.
I look forward to another successful semester at Baruch College.
I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t have a criminal record. I don’t do anything illegal. I’ve stayed out of trouble for 45 years, even with being street homeless for the last five years.
I’m glad to follow the rules at Baruch College and CUNY.
Just to clarify this letter of probation is for submitting two student grievances:
A student tried to purposely crash into me in clear view of a security camera at Baruch College.
I suggested that more security cameras at Baruch College might make the school safer for students. I also suggested students have access to their attendance record in CUNY First.
I have the utmost respect for you and everyone at CUNY, although I don’t necessarily agree that I deserve to be on probation and I look forward to next semester when I’m off probation. I will be very cautious about how I proceed moving forward at Baruch College.
I assume there is nothing I can do to appeal this decision?
I am literally now walking on eggshells at Baruch College. I earned a 3.975 GPA at LaGuardia Community College. I have a 4.0 GPA at Baruch College. Now I’m one misstep away from being thrown out of school.
I’m going to continue to steer clear of interacting with students because that is where the majority of complaints come from at colleges. That is unless I’m working for RF CUNY.
I’m not sure how being on probation might affect my eligibility to work for RF CUNY, so I might not have to worry about that until next semester. I’ll lose money although it’s a small price to pay. The most important thing is to get back on track and off probation.
I will continue to treat all my professors and the staff with the utmost professionalism and respect. The staff at CUNY are doing a fantastic job of providing the absolute best opportunity for students. The City University of New York is a New York City treasure.
I’m hoping to start generating money and get off welfare before I graduate.
If anyone looks at the emails I have sent to professors (I give all CUNY staff permission to look into my Baruch College email account) since I started at CUNY years ago, I go above and beyond to be courteous at all times. I take the high road in all situations.
I am going to use the opportunity provided by Baruch College to elevate my standing in life.
Thank you again.
I’m back to my studies. Today is non-stop Grammar lessons.
A few sentences about attendance being included in CUNY first so students know what their attendance record is. Also, I mentioned that I believe there should be more security cameras inside Baruch College.
The second student grievance was a few sentences about a student purposely trying to crash into me on a day the school was almost empty, and there were no classes.
That’s grounds for being thrown out of Baruch College?
I 100% respect you. I will always treat you with the utmost respect at all times. Regardless if we agree with each other or not.
Regardless of what happens, I don’t blame you. I know there are a lot of other factors involved.
I’m a model and respectful student. The only time I ever get reprimanded is for reporting things at school. It’s never for my behavior.
I always treat everyone at CUNY with the utmost respect at all times. That includes professors, students, security guards, and staff.
I’m making the best out of the situation like always, and hopefully, I won’t be expelled from school for respectfully reporting issues at school.
I just read that a disciplinary sanction means you’re trying to have me thrown out of school for reporting that I’m being harassed.
I have no animosity towards you or anyone at Baruch College. With that being said I am going to take this up with the
NEW YORK STATE COURT OF CLAIMS.
Hopefully, I’ll have time to sue before I’m kicked out of school. I only want to be treated fairly and have someone from the courts look at the claims against me and clear my record because I don’t believe I ever did anything wrong.
I’ve had excellent experiences with judges in my life, and the only time I hear from CUNY is to tell me I’m doing something wrong when reporting that I’m being harassed.
Last semester the police arrested me and charged me with a misdemeanor.
The police took audio of me and edited it into new conversations, exactly like the movie “Tango and Cash” from 1989.
The police proceeded to buy a phone with cash and call Nassau County Police Headquarters. The police had the civilians at Nassau County Police Headquarters sign sworn statements saying the calls were real.
Long story short, I respectfully and thoughtfully navigated the case so well that the judge let me go with a violation.
I could have been completely exonerated, but the police were playing so dirty that I didn’t want to take any chances. I took the vio and ran. Needless to say, I haven’t been back to Nassau County.
Right before the case started the police went into both of my CUNY emails that were on double verification, Baruch College and LaGuardia Community College, and erased dozens or hundreds of emails that would have helped my case.
They also erased emails between LaGuardia Community College security and me discussing times when I was harassed at LaGuardia Community by students.
Additional emails erased were between the Nassau County Executive’s Office and me. I was reporting that the police won’t stop harassing me.
I understand you are just doing your job.
I don’t hold you responsible for any of this. I still hope to make you proud of me one day.
I’m 45 years old. I’m smart enough to know that I have no idea what’s happening behind the scenes at Baruch College and CUNY. For all I know, you might be my biggest ally and supporter.
I’ll stop using the sg form forever.
You told me to stop contacting anyone at CUNY about people I grew up with paying NYC law enforcement to harass me, and I did.
I was in the emergency room of two hospitals three times this week. Nothing COVID-related or contagious.
The police were harassing me like usual.
In the meantime, I’ll stop using the sg form forever under any circumstances.
I’m not sure what sg I ever submitted that wasn’t pertaining to Baruch College, although I’m sure I’ll find out.
I never heard any feedback from any of the sg forms I filled out.
I’m in jeopardy of being out of school for respectfully reporting that I’m being harassed and other things pertaining to what’s going on at school.
I still have never been shown one email or sg that didn’t pertain to CUNY or that was inappropriate after respectfully asking a few times. I’ve only been threatened.
Since the start of this semester, I’ve already started to turn in homework that isn’t due until October and November in September.
Currently, I’m spending 10 or 12 hours per day on schoolwork.
One more time, I don’t blame you or anyone at Baruch College for any of this. I blame a few high-ranking members of NYC law enforcement and the people I grew up with who pay them to sabotage me.
I’m a fan and respect everyone at Baruch College.
I look forward to respectfully clearing my name and succeeding at Baruch College.
I hope I don’t get kicked out of Baruch College. If I do, I’m going to cold call every professional investment company in America and any other country T Mobile will allow me to call for free 15 hours per day until someone invests in one of my startups.
If by some miracle a professional investor gives me six or seven figures as an investment that would be turning lemons into lemonade.
There is no point in complaining because everyone has their own issues.
If I do raise the money, you’re going to be the first person I email and I know you will be proud of me knowing that I’ve been street homeless for five years while earning all As at CUNY.
I’m not going to contact anyone to try and mediate this inside CUNY. I’m going to file a lawsuit with the New York State Court of Claims. There is no animosity attached to the lawsuit. I just want a judge to look at all this and try to have my record cleared because I want to attend Baruch College and the CUNY journalism school.
Whatever I have to do, please let me know. Hopefully, I get another chance.
Thank you and have a great day.
Ever upward,
Mark Pine
Next email.
Greetings,
If you see my email signature at school doesn’t have anything about the police in it anymore.
I was just looking at the email I sent you and in my email signature was information about the police.
I’m not even going to speculate how it got in there. I removed it.
There has not been any mention of the police in my email signature this whole semester in any emails I’ve sent at Baruch College.
The only email that included information about the police in my email signature was the email I just sent you because I didn’t realize it was in there.
People I know are paying New York City law enforcement to try and ruin my life.
New York City law enforcement is editing audio of me reporting them to various government agencies.
NYC law enforcement is going to claim my words were directed towards professors, students, and staff at Baruch College.
NYC law enforcement already did the same thing to me several times before.
The same audio scam was used in the movie “Tango and Cash” from 1989. Can you imagine the technology they have today, compared with then?
New York City law enforcement will also have all the witnesses they need to back up their lies. I’m confident they will have video to go with their audio. Especially because I wear a mask the majority of the time.
New York City law enforcement has their plain-clothes sabotage team shove their phones in my face every day.
I’m always polite to the police when I see them in person. The members of NYC law enforcement that people I know pay the harass me aren’t interacting with the public. They are behind the scenes.
Use this information at your own risk. Verify everything yourself. If you have an emergency call 911. This is my opinion.
YouTube video: Opinion: NYC law enforcement is editing audio of me reporting them into new conversations.
I just got out of the emergency room at the hospital about an hour ago. Nothing COVID-related or contagious, something else.
This semester I’m taking three writing classes total. One is about grammar. I am very excited to improve my skills as a writer.
Thank you for the information.
I sent you the assignment due on September 20, 2021. The television show project is fantastic and a lot of fun to work on.
I’ve already begun work on homework for the class that isn’t due until October and November.
It’s not a question about putting in the work. It’s a question about safety and respect for others.
I would think many students wouldn’t want to be in pairs with homeless people. The same goes for their parents.
I live in the street and subway. I have been homeless for five years.
I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t party. I don’t have a criminal record.
I have a place to shower and keep clean clothes.
I’m optimistic I’ll have a roof over my head one day soon with the resources and opportunities provided for me by HRA and CUNY.
As a 45-year-old street homeless person, I don’t think it’s a good idea to mix with students.
All I need is a D average to stay at Baruch College. So far I have a 4.0 and 3.975 after 4 full-time semesters.
I’d be happy with a D. If I deserve an F, I’ll take an F. I’d prefer a D :-)
It looks to me like student interaction is only about 5 to 10 percent of the total grade. If I receive a zero on those assignments I should be able to earn a C or D overall.
I respect your position and understand that I’ll receive a zero on those assignments.
I love Baruch College. I’m actually at school right now studying even though all classes are canceled this week.
I’m going to spend seven days a week at school every day until the end of the semester, so I can have all my schoolwork turned in on time or early. That and I don’t have anywhere else to charge my devices.
After I graduate from Baruch College, my goal is to attend Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at CUNY.
You have always been very helpful to me. I have the maximum amount of respect for you and all my professors. That is in addition to all the staff at Baruch College. This college is remarkable.
Baruch College is the best opportunity ever, especially for me.
I don’t want to waste your time with a long email, so I will keep this email brief.
Before I started at Baruch College, I had nothing. Now I have a smartphone, laptop, winter coat, shoes, a place to shower, food, etc.
In the meantime, I’m contacting members of the city council and people who work for the federal, state, and city governments trying to get a new rule set for students that want to maintain their privacy at schools.
First and foremost, I treat everyone at Baruch College with the utmost respect at all times. That includes professors, staff, security guards, and students. Treating people respectfully is more important than anything.
I understand that everyone is doing their best and CUNY is a great school.
Everything you’re saying makes perfect sense. I respect and understand your position.
I believe that my point of view is compelling as well.
1. This is my situation. There are some students, including me, that are not allowed to choose their classes at the same time as other students. The students in my category have to wait 3 days after other students choose the classes they want.
By the time I’m allowed to choose the classes I want, a lot of them are already filled up. Therefore I am very limited with the classes that are available now.
2. I have had several students at Baruch College and LaGuardia Community College single me out, insult me, and yell at me for reasons that I don’t know.
I never partake in controversial conversations at school. I also have no idea who any of the students are.
I did not respond. I reported the students to security and they told me the video cameras were broken. I was also told not to contact security again.
3. I am in the process of speaking with City Council offices and other city/government agencies to try and be excused from having to get into groups with students.
The process is going to take time. It’s not going to happen by this semester.
4. There are thousands of complaints from students against students and students against professors and staff in New York every year including several at CUNY.
In addition to many people who are banned from CUNY, I think there are some facing criminal charges.
I can’t even believe the number of complaints is as high as it is but it’s true.
There have even been professors and staff from CUNY quoted in the mainstream press about the alarmingly high number of complaints from students against students and students against professors and staff.
There have been mainstream media coverage of issues between students at Baruch College that I’m not going to name here out of respect for the victims.
Just to let you know a little bit about me. If someone poured a can of paint on my head at Baruch College or CUNY I would not say a word.
I love Baruch College. It’s the best opportunity ever. Baruch College has opened doors for me.
As I mentioned in a previous email I have been living in the street homeless for 5 years. I don’t like the shelters. I hope with the inspiration provided by Baruch College that I have a roof over my head one day soon.
So far at LaGuardia Community College, I had a 3.975 GPA with 36 credits. Clearly, I was not disruptive, I was a model student.
At Baruch College last semester I earned a 4.0 GPA with 12 credits. I believe my professors would say I was a positive contribution to my classes. With that being said I did not interact with any students.
I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t party. I don’t do anything illegal. I don’t have a criminal record. I have places to shower and keep clean clothes.
I’ll be respectful to everyone as I always am. If you have to give me an F for keeping to myself I understand. I don’t take it personally.
On Rate My Professors all the students say you’re as good as it gets. That’s why I’m excited to take your class, even if it earns me an F and it’s the last class I take because I failed out of Baruch College.
I’d prefer to fail out of school because of a grade than having a student make up lies about me for unknown reasons.
One time at LaGuardia Community College I was in a classroom with a security camera. A student stands up in the middle of class and starts yelling at me.
I have no idea who the person is. I picked up my things and moved to the other side of the room. If I had any interaction with the student in a student group or any conversation the student could have made up any lie they want about me and it would be their word against a 45-year-old homeless person.
Another time at Baruch College a student started insulting me during a Zoom class. I ignored the person.
I didn’t even have a laptop when I started at LaGuardia Community College, I was living in the street, and I earned all As.
If a student asks me a question in your class I will respectfully say I don’t know and go back to minding my business.
I’m confident there are a lot of CUNY parents that would not want their children breaking into groups with 45-year-old homeless people who live in the street.
I mostly sleep on subway platforms. I’m going to avoid sleeping anywhere near Baruch College so no one from there sees me. Sometimes I sleep on the steps at the 77 St subway and places like that. Not 68 St because that’s Hunter College :-)
I promise I have never, nor will I ever be disruptive. If you have to fail me I respect your decision.
I did interact with students when I was working at the LaGuardia Community College library. I never had any issues. There were security cameras and I was helping students print their essays.
This is a tiny fraction of the articles about this topic. There is a CUNY Professor quoted in the first article. I would contact him and thank him but they told me I’m not allowed so I’m not.
Let’s say I’m talking with a student in class. A few weeks later I run into the student in the subway or the student sees me sleeping on the floor in the subway or something like that. Let’s say the student says I think that homeless guy from my class is following me.
What’s going to happen to me?
Who is going to stand up for me?
CUNY is spending millions of dollars for lawyers right now to defend teachers and staff from student accusations. It’s public information.
Anyone can say what they want about me. I’m respectful but I’m not interacting with students unless it’s to respectfully say I don’t know or I’m working for RF CUNY the HRA job program at Baruch Collge.
One thing about me is I am never disruptive and I’m never disrespectful.
I like people. I’m a people person. I’m just not socializing with students at Baruch College when there are thousands of complaints from students against students and students against professors and staff every year at New York colleges.
In regards to participating in class, I love to participate in class, with the teacher.
I used to provide web marketing services to companies for about $1,000 per month for each customer.
I came across people all the time who needed my help but didn’t have the money. I helped dozens of people without charging them.
My goal in life is to be happy, successful, and have a positive impact on my community. I’m not going to get from homeless to that position by partaking in risky behavior.
It’s clear that at New York colleges, everyone needs to move cautiously because there are thousands of people connected with New York Colleges, that have to fend off complaints every year.
Baruch College is all I have so I have to protect it.
First of all, I love Baruch College and CUNY. I’m having the best time ever.
My professors are amazing. The support staff is amazing. Baruch College CUNY is the best opportunity ever.
I finished almost all my schoolwork for the Fall 2021 semester about a month early. College is my number one priority.
I’m not sure who I’m supposed to contact about the tuition that I owe, so I’m contacting the three offices. Please let me know if there is anyone else I should contact about this matter.
I’m signed up for two classes this summer 2021. The online Baruch College website says I owe $459 for summer 2021 in addition to my financial aid.
If I drop one of the summer classes and only take one class this summer, would that lower the amount of money I have to pay to attend Baruch College this summer?
If yes, I’ll drop one summer class and only take one class this summer instead of two.
Depending on how much I will have to pay to attend summer 2021 classes, I might not take any classes this summer.
It all depends on what the Department of Social Services / Human Resources Administration requires.
Please let me know if dropping one class and only taking one class this summer will lower the money owed when you can. Thank you:-)
If taking one class this summer isn’t included in my financial aid, I might take the summer off. I’ll make the decision after speaking with HRA and seeing what the cost is to take one class this summer instead of two.
The online Baruch College website says I owe $283 for Fall 2021. Can I pay that amount out of my Fall 2021 student loan refund? Or do I have to pay it before the semester starts?
If I’m allowed, I’ll pay the balance due for fall 2021 out of my Fall 2021 student loan refund. If I’m required to pay the balance before then, I’ll pay for the fall in the next few weeks.
Today I was in Central Park for a class. I broke my arm a few weeks ago and I had to go to the doctor today. I also had a wisdom tooth taken out this week. I was very tired.
While I was listening to the class today the sun knocked me out for a few minutes.
When I woke up someone had remotely gone into my Zoom account and turned on my microphone and camera. The phone was in the grass at Central Park.
I just don’t understand why someone is going into my phone remotely. This has happened several times.
I was told by Baruch College that we were allowed to pick our Fall 2021 classes on April 5th, 2021. I believe that was the date, I’m not sure.
All I know is when I went to pick my classes the online system at Baruch College wouldn’t allow me to sign up for classes. I politely and respectfully contacted the staff at Baruch College and asked what was wrong.
The staff at Baruch College told me that only certain students can pick their Fall 2021 classes on April 5, 2021. They said I would have to wait for three days until the other students were done choosing which classes they wanted first.
Three days later when I went to choose my classes the majority of online classes I wanted to sign up for were already filled by the students who were given early access to choose the classes they wanted.
That means I’m going to be on campus at Baruch College during Fall 2021.
I’m writing this quickly because I have a 12-page essay due soon and a bunch of other homework.
People I know pay the NYPD and their civilian team to torture me, attack me, rob me, destroy my property, follow me into stores and pick fights with me, and run every cointelpro ambush and scam on me that was ever created since the 1960s.
The NYPD blocked my phone number from calling any NYPD precinct, NYPD headquarters, NYPD internal affairs, New York FBI, US Attorney in Westchester, etc.
People I know have paid the NYPD and their civilian team to have me kicked out of Baruch College.
This is how they are going to try and do it.
The NYPD and their civilian team are going to have people crash into me, cut me off, try to start arguments with me, etc. anytime I’m anywhere near Baruch College. They started doing it already.
The NYPD and going to have girls cut me off, crash into me, etc. over and over to try and obtain video or photos that make it seem like I’m doing something wrong.
The NYPD and their civilian team are going to take audio they have of me from years of physically attacking me and say I said something nasty to someone at Baruch College. The NYPD has a budget in the billions of dollars. They will edit audio conversations to get innocent people in trouble. They also edit videos to get innocent people in trouble.
The NYPD is going to try and have Baruch College take away my college email and erase all the evidence out of it.
If you Google cointelpro those are the exact same scams that the NYPD runs all day every day in New York City.
I’ve decided that respectfully it would be best to 100% avoid any communication with students at Baruch College. I respectfully notified my professors that if I have to have my grades reduced I understand.
There are thousands of complaints from students about students every year in New York colleges. Also, I have had several students try and pick fights with me at CUNY already. I ignored them all. Needless to say, I treat all my professors with the utmost respect at all times. If I said or emailed one word to a professor or staff at Baruch College or CUNY that wasn’t one hundred percent respectful, I would be out of college in one second flat.
The NYPD and their civilian team are harassing me as I write this post.
There are no names or identifying information in this post. The NYPD and their civilian team will probably update the post later to sabotage me because all they do is lie and scam. That’s their job. Google “cointelpro” if you would like to learn more about it.
Greetings,
I always treat everyone at Baruch College with the utmost respect at all times. That includes staff, professors, students, and security guards. Treating people respectfully is more important than anything. I love Baruch College and The City University of New York. It’s the best opportunity ever.
Any time I interact with you or anyone at CUNY I will treat you and everyone else with the absolute utmost respect and courtesy.
I’m 100% not contacting anyone at CUNY about the NYPD and their civilian team torturing and sabotaging me.
What are the rules moving forward? If I have an issue that I would respectfully like to bring up via email should I contact your email, X’s email, or neither?
Going forward I’m only going to contact agencies outside of CUNY looking for help with the police torturing and sabotaging me. I have no issue with that. The higher-ups at CUNY know that I’m claiming the NYPD and their civilian team are torturing me, there is no reason to contact them again about it.
I plan on applying to CUNY graduate school after I graduate from Baruch College. Am I allowed to mention to the CUNY graduate schools that they will probably be receiving negative emails or messages on social media from my email accounts courtesy of the NYPD and their civilian team to sabotage me from attending CUNY graduate school?
The NYPD and their civilian team have been running scams like that on me for years.
Or am I not allowed to mention that to CUNY graduate school admissions?
The NYPD and their civilian team can go into any one of my accounts, send one nasty email, and I’m blocked from attending CUNY graduate schools which in my opinion are the best graduate schools in New York City.
Also, I love CUNY. I have the utmost respect for you, the entire CUNY staff, the professors, and the students.
What I am about to tell you next does not mean that I don’t love and respect CUNY because I do.
I have started the process to sue Baruch College.
There is no animosity attached to this lawsuit. I merely don’t see any other way to try and figure a few things out without a third party involved, in this case, the New York Courts.
I’m suing for three reasons.
I want to be excused from having to get into small groups with students.
I don’t understand why certain students are allowed to pick their classes three days before other students. Then when I go to select my classes the majority of the classes I want to take are full.
I would like to respectfully challenge having a negative letter on my permanent record because I respectfully emailed two public safety offices, the President of Baruch College, and the Chancellor at CUNY.
I’m patiently waiting for your response.
All my professors are amazing. I told them I would gladly accept any reduction in my grade that they see fit because I’m respectfully avoiding small groups with students.
Thank God they all said it’s OK because I don’t want to fail a class. That doesn’t mean I will continue to be so lucky in the future which is why I want to see what the New York Courts think about the student groups issue.
Mark Pine 